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Alt 30.10.2014, 21:47   #1
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Frage Verbot für Race Matten ?

Da bahnt sich was an:

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Kite controversy to be debated at ISAF Annual Conference
Published on October 30, 2014
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Kiting’s apex body is set to consider a near-immediate ban on foil kites for Formula course board racing, ostensibly over safety fears for competitors.

The International Kiteboarding Association’s (IKA) annual general meeting next Tuesday (Nov 4) is likely to debate measures put forward by the Polish Kiteboarding Association (PKA) that would effectively outlaw ram-air kites from the beginning of next year.

The move has stirred bitter controversy among Formula kite racers as the devastatingly efficient and quick foil kites have revolutionized the course board discipline this season, leaving those flying Leading-Edge Inflatable (LEI) kites trailing.

Leading edge inflatable kites have an inflated bladder at the leading edge which gives the kite its shape and also keeps the kite floating once dropped in the water.

Ram air kites have openings at the front leading edge to allow foil inflation and to create the wing shape.

For many riders the key difficulty was that only two manufacturers – Ozone with the Chrono and St Petersburg-based Elf with the Joker – had put resources into pioneering the new generation of foil kites that took the race scene by storm.

In particular North Kiteboarding team riders – including women’s world champion Steph Bridge and son Olly, men’s European champion – had to use North-badged Elf foil kites in order to be competitive against Ozone riders.

However, the number of riders who turned up to compete at the Formula kite World, African and European championships was dramatically down on the previous year. Some argue the biggest factor for the fall was the expense and lack of availability of foil kites, without which riders felt at a big disadvantage. A few racers left the Worlds early, disheartened their campaign was doomed riding LEI kites.

But the PKA, which hosted the European championships in Mielno in September, argues in its submission likely to be aired by the IKA at the forthcoming meeting in Palma de Mallorca, Spain, that the foil kites pose grave risk to riders because of a lack of buoyancy – unlike tube kites – when in the water.

The Polish association proposes that kites’ inflated tubes should be at least 50 litres in volume, with the additional proviso they should have three inflatable struts to hold the trailing edge clear of the water to improve visibility and buoyancy. The stipulations would effectively rule out foil kites.

Marek Rowinski, PKA president, spent several months consulting the country’s leading riders and competition organizers, particularly after an incident at the Polish Cup where a fleet of around 10 foil kites fell when the wind dropped, leaving most riders in the water, two of whom were extremely difficult to locate because of their kites’ low visibility.

“If the present foil kites drop in the water they’re simply not visible and they may drag the rider into the water on the high seas,” said Rowinski. “[Top rider] Tomek Janiak was almost drowned in rough sea. He said it was the most dangerous experience he’d ever had.”

Rowinski envisages any foil kite ban would last only a year or two to enable manufacturers to come up with a solution to the perceived safety issues. He is convinced the PKA’s measure will secure a proposer and seconder so that it is discussed at the AGM, though he accepts winning a two-thirds majority vote might be tough.

Predictably Ozone is aghast at any possible ban, no matter how distant the possibility. Matt Taggart, Ozone Kites’ manager, leapt on to a vitriolic Facebook Kiteboard Racing group thread to decry the absurd notion that the IKA might ban foil kites.

“Markus [Schwendtner, IKA CEO] two to three years ago was always telling us to ‘design better kites so we could race in lighter winds’,” wrote Taggart. “Well, Roman [Luibimtsev], Elf, led the way and now [we] at Ozone put in the hard work with investment to find the way. We did what the IKA told us to do and now the talk is about banning foil kites!”

Taggart further argues the innovation of foil kites has helped ensure exciting events go ahead in the lightest of winds guaranteeing organizers, riders and spectators get a return for their investment. “So now to limit the innovation in light-wind racing that the performance-foil kites give us would be total madness,” he writes.

Elf’s Luibimtsev is equally incensed, listing the foil kites’ advantages over tube kites, like a wider wind range, better ability to stay airborne in lulls, and even the chance to relaunch a folded foil kite once mastered over a deflated LEI.

“Now ram air kites are going to be declared outlaws,” he writes. “But this is outrageous! I have been around as a rider and coach. I have not seen a single accident because of a foil ‘lacking safety’. What I have seen is that sometimes inflatables float while foils fly. I know it hurts.”

Reigning world champion Steph Bridge has her reservations. She has safety concerns, but is more alarmed at the effect foils have had on Formula kite ridership due to expense, durability and accessibility issues that have “killed a great sport in 12 months.” Yet – echoing the sentiment of many racers – she accepts the genie is out of the bottle.

“For sure, I don’t want to go back,” she said. “I love foil kites. In the big sizes they’re really easy. I think it would be very difficult to ban them. That would be a backward step. Really, we need more.”

Source: Ian MacKinnon, Kiteboard Tour Asia

Tags: International Kiteboarding Association, ISAF, kiting
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Weiß jemand schon mehr?

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Alt 30.10.2014, 22:55   #2
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Sollen Sie halt Klassen wie beim Segeln einführen........

Erst bei gleichem Material hat jeder die gleichen Chancen und es kommt auf den Fahrer an. Für die Entwicklung mag die Materialschlacht ja super sein, aber bei Rennen ist es low, wenn das Material entscheidet.
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Alt 31.10.2014, 09:43   #3
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Bei rennen ist und war es schon fast überall so dass das Material entscheidet bei technischen Sportarten und das fördert die Entwicklung dieser Sportarten.

Wer riderskill entscheiden sehen will soll sich Sachen wie freestyle oder entsprechendes angucken.
Gib den anderen Herstellern zwei Saisons dann haben sie selbst foils die Konkurrenzfähig sind.
Gleitschirmschmieden aus denen man knowhow einkaufen kann gibt's genügend
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Alt 31.10.2014, 09:57   #4
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Das sieht doch sehr nach Lobbyarbeit aus.
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Alt 31.10.2014, 10:00   #5
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Standard ganz klar ein versuch der tube hersteller...

...wieder besser ins geschäft zu kommen.

ich fände es ziehmlich unfair.

sowas gabs vor ein zwei jahren auch, als plötzlich kitefoils da
waren und allen auf und davon fahren.

was ist geiler ein kite foilboard race oder ein kite raceboard race ?
da gibts wohl keinen zweifel.

auch zum selber damit fahren: leute, die raceboards sind zombies - lebende tote.
foilboarden tut weit nicht so weh, die boards sind schneller,
kleiner, machen mehr spaß.

es war schon verblüffend, wie elf und ozone alles in kürzester zeit abgeräumt haben.
matten zu verbieten fände ich einen absolut lächerlichen kniefall vor den großen tube herstellern.

das sicherheitsargument ist gerade im racing absolut lächerlich,
verpasst doch jedem fahrer einen GPS sender, das kann doch nicht
so schwer sein.

wenn wirklich ein mindest auftrieb und 3 querstruts vorgeschrieben werden sollte ist es nur eine frage der zeit,
bis wer sowas in eine matte reinbastelt.
ob das was dabei rauskommt dann was ist was gefällt
stelle ich mal in frage, schnell wird es genauso sein.

was man machen könnte, ich weis nicht ob das möglich ist, man
könnte die kurse so änderen, daß tubes wieder näher rankommen.
geht wahrscheinlich nicht, oder ? nehme mal an, die matten sind
immer viel schneller.

LG wolfgang
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Alt 31.10.2014, 10:14   #6
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das sicherheitsargument ist gerade im racing absolut lächerlich,
verpasst doch jedem fahrer einen GPS sender, das kann doch nicht
so schwer sein.
Schwimmwesten, schöne, orangene Schwimmwesten
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Alt 31.10.2014, 10:29   #7
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Schwimmwesten, schöne, orangene Schwimmwesten
ich trottel ja klar !

alle die mit matte fahren wollen müssen eine schwimmweste tragen
die lösung !

wirds auch nicht bremsen denke ich...
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Alt 31.10.2014, 10:59   #8
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Zitat:
wenn wirklich ein mindest auftrieb und 3 querstruts vorgeschrieben werden sollte ist es nur eine frage der zeit,
bis wer sowas in eine matte reinbastelt.
DAS wäre sau lustig.

auch cool wäre es wenn matten mit nem bremsfallschirm fahren müssten
ozone bietet das ja schon aus eigenem hause an.

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Alt 31.10.2014, 17:06   #9
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Standard Ozone bleibt voraus

Wenn die Foils verboten werden, räumt Ozone mit den Edges weiterhin Alles ab.Würde für die anderen Tubekitehersteller nicht viel ändern.
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Alt 31.10.2014, 17:25   #10
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die kitesurf soll verboten werden

ha ha ha
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Alt 31.10.2014, 17:42   #11
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Hallo Davor,

soo lustig finde ich das leider nicht.
Wenn Organisatoren/Dachverbände Matten
für Rennen nicht mehr zulassen,
weil zu gefährlich,
was denkt da der Nichtkiter

Der denkt,
wenn die das schon für zu gefährlich halten,
dann muß das ja gefährlicher sein als Motorradrennen,
Bike Downhill, Abfahrtslauf, Boxen, Rugby usw.

Wenn der Nichtkiter also was zu sagen hat,
wird er keine Hemmschwelle haben Kiteverbote
für Seen und Küste auszusprechen.
Ach ging ja nur um Matten? Egal,
auch ein Tube kann Abends mal abtreiben.
Nachts findet ihn keiner und ertrunkene Kiter
wollen wir hier auch nicht.

Allso müssen wir die Kiter schützen,
indem wir ihnen diesen gefährlich Sport einschränken.
Ausserdem ist den Powerbootfahrern eh kaum
zuzumuten ständig auf Treibgut aufzupassen...

Alos negatives Image ist saugefährlich
und kann auch für Tube-Hersteller
ein Irrläufer werden.

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Alt 31.10.2014, 17:53   #12
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die mase von kitesurfers spilt schön eine wichtige role in turismus dizes wegen getz nicht mher one kitesurfers vilaicht bisi strengere ordnung am stranden das schadet aoch nicht aber verbot ziher nicht hat kein angst Mondscheinkiter und die maten werden weiter gefaren mit renen oder one das was ist verboten ist noch mher atraktiv vilaicht ist das doch neue menagment fur matten freaks
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Wenn die Foils verboten werden, räumt Ozone mit den Edges weiterhin Alles ab.Würde für die anderen Tubekitehersteller nicht viel ändern.
Michi
das liegt aber nimmer an den kites dann.

nachdem schon so einige 1:1 edge kopien unterwegs sind seit 1 - 2 jahren.
das liegt dann an den fahrern.

ausweg ? einheitsklasse ?

nö die großen hersteller müssen lernen race matten zu bauen,
wenn sie gewinnen wollen im racing.
wer eine tube abkupfern kann, der sollte auch eine matte abkupfern können.

lg wolfgang
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Alt 31.10.2014, 18:43   #14
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Bei rennen ist und war es schon fast überall so dass das Material entscheidet bei technischen Sportarten und das fördert die Entwicklung dieser Sportarten.
Intressant sind aber eigentlich nur die, wo annäherend gleiches Material vorhanden ist. Schau dir z.b. Formel 1 an. Spannend ist was Anderes. In den Motorsportklassen wo alle das gleiche Material haben, geht es deutlich enger zu.....


Soll man halt verschiedene Klassen einführen.... Gibt es in fast jeder Sportart.

Und gefährlich ist auch lächerlich. Dann dürfen die halt nicht bei absoluten Lowwindprognosen starten oder den Teilnehmern gps tracker verpassen.
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Alt 31.10.2014, 21:45   #16
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Haha, voll das lustige System. Warum sollen sich alle strecken, wenn man sich auch auf den kleinsten gemeinsamen Nenner einigen kann. Willkommen in der zweiten Liga.
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Intressant sind aber eigentlich nur die, wo annäherend gleiches Material vorhanden ist. Schau dir z.b. Formel 1 an. Spannend ist was Anderes. In den Motorsportklassen wo alle das gleiche Material haben, geht es deutlich enger zu.....


Soll man halt verschiedene Klassen einführen.... Gibt es in fast jeder Sportart.

Und gefährlich ist auch lächerlich. Dann dürfen die halt nicht bei absoluten Lowwindprognosen starten oder den Teilnehmern gps tracker verpassen.
mMn brauch es auch ne disziplin wo "alles möglich" ist einfach um eben materialentwicklung zu fördern.

wenn man will dass der fahrerskill mehr rein spielt muss man die kurse anspruchsvoller gestalten, sodass taktik mehr zählt und mehr manöver gefahren werden müssen. (oder man verlängert die renndistanz, so dass eben fitness und konzentrationsfähigkeit mehr gefordert werden)
mit letzterem würden evtl. auch wieder einfacher zu beherschende tubes nen vorteil für den fahrer bringen, weil er länger durchhält
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ich denke bei langer Renndistanz gewinnt das Material, die Rider sind alle fit.
Beim Slalom, kurze Downwindschläge mit Halsen, entscheidet der Start, die Halsen und wer den besten Speed mitbringt für die erste Tonne. Da ist der Rider ein wichtiger Part im Gesamtkonzept. Longdistanz fast immer das Material
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Alt 03.11.2014, 10:16   #19
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Sehe ich genauso wie Ganesha:

Lange Distanz: Nur Material gewinnt.
Kurze Distanz und mit Manövern gespickte Kurs: Fahrtechnik und Taktik.

Habe ich selbst beim Regattasegeln live miterlebt.
Beim häufigen wenden/halsen kannst Du mit guter Technik jeden abhängen. Bei langen Schlägen wenn dein Material nicht 100% sauber läuft (aus irgendwelchen Gründen auch immer) hast Du kein Chance egal wie Fit Du bist.
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Lange Distanz: Nur Material gewinnt.
Kurze Distanz und mit Manövern gespickte Kurs: Fahrtechnik und Taktik.
...genau so isses!

Deswegen kommen auf langen Distanzen in den One-Design Klassen ja auch immer alle gleichzeitig durchs Ziel.....

Gruss

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...genau so isses!

Deswegen kommen auf langen Distanzen in den One-Design Klassen ja auch immer alle gleichzeitig durchs Ziel.....

Gruss

Kai
Da kommt das was ich unten geschrieben habe: "Sauber laufen". Damit ist Trimm und sauber Fahrtechnik gemeint.
Jetzt mal etwas OT: Beim Segeln in den One Design /Olympia Klassen
wie Finn oder 470er, hast Du so viele Einstellmöglichkeiten das Du ein Boot bis zur Unfahrbarkeit verstellen kannst.

Die Teams/Leute trainieren Wochen/Monate teilweise um die perfekte Einstellung für die einzelnen Kurse zu finden. In der nächsten Saison startest Du mit einem neuen Rumpf/Mast/Segel und der Spaß geht von vorne Los.

Auch One Design bietet reichlich Potential zum spielen, sonst würden alle bei Langstrecke immer fast gleichzeitig ankommen.
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Ergebnisse vom IKA Treffen. Vieles wurde zum Glück zurück gezogen oder abgelehnt. Aber es scheint unterschiedliche Wertungen für LEIs/RAMs zu geben.

http://www.pressure-drop.us/forums/c...-FOILS-SURVIVE

IKA 2014 AGM Meeting Results : RAM FOILS SURVIVE!

Published on 11-04-2014 09:58 AM

Zitat:
The IKA General Meeting in Palma has ended, and the results of the voting are in. The big issue this year was a
contentious debate on whether RAM kites should be allowed in competion as a small contingent found them to be dangerous
and an expensive addition to an already expensive quiver to remain competitive. There was, a general revolt within the Kitefoiling circles
which saw no point in putting a dampner on the continual evolution of kiteboarding in general and the foiling class specifically.

We will have a bit more on the RAM Kite vs the Leading Edge Inflatable shortly.

For now, here are the meeting results!



AGENDA FOR THE 2014 IKA CLASS AGM
WRITTEN BY EDITOR ON 21 OCTOBER 2014. POSTED IN INVITATIONS AND AGENDAS
2014 IKA Annual General Meeting

Agenda

I. Welcome and Apologies
II. Previous Minutes
The 2013 AGM minutes have been published on the IKA website.
III. Chairman's Report
IV. Executive Secretary’s Report
V. Financial Statement

RULES OF PROCEDURE

Only submissions and nominations from members in good standing and the executive committee shall be accepted.

Every submission to be voted on requires a proposer and a seconder. If a submission fails to have either a proposer or seconder, it will not be further discussed.

All voting to be done by simple majority, in other words the option with the most votes wins, and abstentions are irrelevant.

For voting which is changing class rules or constitution, a 2/3rd majority constituted as above is necessary.

Any elections will be held in a secret ballot except by unanimous acclamation.

Members in good standing are entitled to nominate a proxy if they are not able to attend personally. Proxy forms may be requested via email from the IKA secretariat.

VI. Submissions



(1) Formula Kite Fleet Racing Championship Rules – Windlimit (AKA)

Purpose or Objective
1. To encourage MNAs and event organizers to select venues that will guarantee full completion of racing scheduled.
2. To ensure safety of competitors by limiting the potential of capsize.
3. To encourage less skilled/new sailors to attend events by limiting trivial racing conditions.

Proposal:
Amend 1.c.i. to read as follows:
If the wind speed is less than 8 knots average in the starting area between the preparatory signaland the starting signal the start shall be postponed. If the wind speed drops below 6 knots at any time during the first leg of the race, the race shall be abandoned. In both cases a new starting sequence will be initiated as soon as practicable and when the windspeed is to the required minimums.

Reason:
Competitors at a local level are significantly challenged to race in low wind. Furthermore many of these sailors have difficulty even leaving the beach in 6 knots because of the “beach bubble” technically known as local convection. This discourages local participation and limits newcomers from being able to compete.

RESULT: NOT PASSED

(2) Formula Kite Fleet Racing Championship Rules and International IKA Formula Kite Class Rules – Kite Size Categories (AKA)

Purpose or Objective
To account for the changes in equipment as brought on by parafoil kites.

Proposal
To change Championship Rules 2.a.i and Class Rules Section C.1.1.b to read as follows:
For safety purposes every competitor must have one kite 9m or smaller and one kite 15m or larger.

Reason
The reemergence of parafoil kites has presented some challenges to the current kite size categories. Due to the fact that the “power “of a foil kite is much different than a LEI kite the current categories are flawed. Additionally, a more open kite allowance may provide competitors of different body types to be able to sail safely in a wider range of wind conditions, based on forecast.

RESULT: NOT PASSED


(3) “KiteFoil” fleet and ISAF status (AKA)

Purpose or Objective
1. To preserve the developmental nature of the “KiteFoil” fleet.
2. To allow for current fleet issues and challenges to be solved before the fleet comes underthe scrutiny of the ISAF.

Proposal
The AKA proposes that the “KiteFoil” fleet not apply for ISAF class recognition for the 2015 season.

Reason
The “KiteFoil" competitors have widely intimated a sentiment that they would like to maintain autonomy separate of ISAF and the Olympic Games.

RESULT: PASSED



(4) “KiteFoil” Fleet Committee formation (AKA)

Purpose or objective
To establish proper representation for the “KiteFoil” fleet and for the interests of its sailors.

Proposal
A formation of a five person committee to establish “KiteFoil” fleet objectives, recommend event venues, prioritize daily operations as serviced by IKA, formulate championship and equipment rules when needed.

Reason
The “KiteFoil” fleet has interests that have not been properly maintained thus far. There have been three international regattas with IKA fees paid in full yet the website has not been updated, rankings were late to be updated if ever, and one event was cancelled completely. “KiteFoil” competitors have expressed their feeling of underrepresentation within the IKA.

RESULT : PASSED



(5) International IKA Formula Kite Class Rules (AKA) - see supporting paper

Purpose or Objective
To limit cost of Formula Class fin prices and development.

Proposal
Add to Class Rules new section C.8.3:
Fins shall be made of fiberglass or “G10” material. No carbon or exotic materials may be used.
The Technical Committee and/or Event Measurer shall determine the composition of the material used and its compliance.

Reason
Molded carbon and exotic materials have become more prolific in kiteboard manufacturing. It is clear that these materials provide improved performance. Fin materials should be limited to what is currently being used so that we may maintain a relatively inexpensive materials and manufacturing cost.

RESULT: WITHDRAWN

(6) Formula Kite Equipment – Class Rules (PKA)

Purpose or Objective
White Board Concept (WBC) for all. Change to majority of Class Rules White Board Concept for a kite-board, kites and fins shall be implemented from 1st April 2016.

Proposal:
a. Manufactures shall produce module kite-board, kites and fins under IKA license. The modules shall be presented by the IKA till 1st July 2015.
b. No other boards, kites and fins than the IKA WBC shall compete in the ranked IKA Formula Kite events after 1st April 2016.

Reason:
The Formula Kite is losing its attractiveness for riders, sponsors, manufacturers and spectators. Appearance of ram air kites and better performing hydrofoils caused significant decrease in attendance at IKA events (Worlds 2012- 195 riders, 2013 – 128 riders, 2014 – 80; North Americas 2013 – 75 riders, 2014 – 13 riders). The Formula Kite can be saved only by radical moves. With the present box rules we may disappear from the sailing world soon. The chance to become attractive again for manufacturers and sponsors, as well as fair and available for competitors, is to introduce “a white board concept” for the entire equipment. All riders would compete on the same gear but made by different manufactures. It is an improved version of the monotype without its drawbacks. The competitiveness among manufacturers would ensure decent quality, improve availability and reasonable prices. One board, three or four kites, one set of fins. IKA would decide what equipment to choose for a template (module). A kite size range should be limited to odd size values (19/17/15/13/11/9/7m) to keep the cost of the production line on reasonable financial level. The fins should be produced in 3 sizes to ensure the comfort of the competitors with different weight. The equipment would be identical, but would possess a logo of the manufacturer. A competitor would chose her/his kite quiver for entire season. The WBC gives the chance to create a long living and popular class of course racing with kites. Let the foilboarding to be a scene of the latest and unrestricted developments. Once every Olympic period we would use their experience to improve our WBC. Formula Kite riders would not need to change equipment every year to be competitive what may significantly reduce their costs. Introduction of the WBC will not endanger the top riders – they will be still on the top but close chased by a silver fleet on the same gear. Let’s to win the best athlete instead the one with the best gear.

RESULT: Deferred - support the principle - working party led by Marek, members Richard and Gil Hurvitz



(7) Formula Kite Equipment – Class Rules. Fins. (vote each point separately) (PKA)

Proposal:
a. Change to C.1.1.(a).
Not more than one production hull, four production kites and two fins one fin per fin box (if so prescribed by the Notice of Race) shall be registered for an event.
b. Add C.8.3. A fin shall be made out of semitransparent glass/epoxy laminate
c. Add C.8.4. (if Submission PL01 approved) Fins shall be available in various sizes but only one size per fin box shall be declared to be used during a calendar year.

Reason:
last years have proved we can perform well on one set of fins made of G10 or G11. Two sets of carbon expensive fins give an advantage to sponsored riders. Reduction to one set would make the class available for more riders who would compete on a comparable gear.

RESULTS: ALL WITHDRAWN

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(8) Formula Kite Equipment – Class Rules. Safety assumptions. (PKA)

Proposal:
Add G.1.4.
After 1st of January 2015 any registered kite after falling into water shall ensure:
a. a safe buoyancy for a competitor. The volume of the inflatable tubes shall be not less than 50ltrs.
b. An improved detection. Not damaged main tube and minimum three struts shall clearly keep the trailing edge of a kite over the surface in the calm water and wind conditions.

Reason:
The ram air kites demolished the inflatable kites in a matter of performance within this season. However, there is a price for it that is safety. On many occasions the ram air kites couldn’t provide safety for competitors once they fell in the water. Couple of events proved ram air kites become a nightmare for many riders and rescue teams. Visual detection of ram air kites is restricted comparing to inflatable ones. During one event of the Polish Cup with light winds we had serious problems to locate the capsized competitors of ram air kites who were just less than a kilometer from the beach. At the same time inflatable kite competitors were easily visible from the double distance. Training on the ram air kites might be extreme, especially in light wind and strong currents areas. We consider them as unsafe for riding without an assistance.

RESULT: NOT PASSED


(9) Formula Kite Equipment – Class Rules. Number of kites (PKA)

Proposal:
Change to C.1.1.(a) (if Submission PL01 approved).
Not more than three kites shall be used by a competitor who specifies kite sizes to be used by her/him during her/ his first sanctioned IKA event after 1st April 2016. Her/his choice remains valid for a calendar year.

Reason:
There are many riders from a middle of the fleet who have competed with only 3 kites since beginning of the kite racing. They do not complain about safety issues with their quiver. Three kites were maximum amount allowed till 2013. Moreover – four kites give a handicap for light weight riders in light wind conditions. However they do not give any handicap for the heavier riders. Three kites quiver would add a handicap for heavy riders in strong winds. It seems to be fair for all. Using four kite quiver will restrict the Formula Kite only for riders below 75kg. Four kite idea was breached by some riders who came for a two, three day event with 5-6 kites and registered their kites matching weather forecast. It is not a fair play. We propose to implement declaration system for kite sizes to be used during one calendar year. It would enforce competitors to compete and train on the same quiver for the entire season.

RESULT: WITHDRAWN



(10) Formula Kite Equipment – Class Rules. Number of kites (PKA) (if Submission PL01 approved but Submission PL04A not accepted)

Proposal:
Change to C.1.1.(a)
Not more than four kites shall be used by a competitor who specifies kite sizes to be used by her/him during her/his first sanctioned IKA event. His choice remains valid for a calendar year.

Reason:
if three kites idea fails we would like still implement a kite sizes declaration system.

RESULT: WITHDRAWN



(11) Formula Kite Events – Fees (PKA)

Proposal:
A competitor entry fee of all IKA events shall not be higher than an equivalent of 20€ per a day of the event. A competitor’s team member fee shall not be higher than 2/3 of the competitor fee. A competitor late fee shall not be higher than 50% of the entry fee.

Reason:
fees are too high. In some cases reached 300€ for a late fee. The competitor should not be treated as a source of income. This really decreases amount of competing riders. IKA should secure contracts with organizers with the proposed limits. There were around 20 riders in Poland who were interested to compete during last Europeans. Most of them gave up seeing a 180€ fee. It might be even more restricting for riders from Asia and Africa. We want to be attractive for more riders.

RESULTS: NOT PASSED



(12) Rankings Formula Kite RAM-LEI (GKA)

Proposal:
To introduce a separate category for LEI and overall (similar to production/custom rankings in the beginning) as an entry level to kiteracing and to give the riders on LEI kites an incentive to compete and a separate podium (mainly newcomers and “bronze fleet” riders). This may be combined with a higher wind limit for LEI kites, i.e. 8 knots. This may develop into separate classes (which can race together though).

Reason:
Availability and manufacturers of RAM kites are limited, and we want to be inclusive and make it possible for all brands to be involved and compete. The LEI ranking could be also open to non-production boards (for discussion) to build a broader base for participation on entry level.
We do not want to limit the high performance aspect of the sport and that means RAM kites, but we need to grow the grass roots and that means easier entry with normal LEI kites for the bigger masses, and RAM kites for the top-end.

RESULTS: PASSED



(13) International IKA Formula Kite Class Rules (GKA)

Purpose or Objective
Limiting cost development of fins in Formula Kite.

Proposal 1
Add to Class Rules new section C.8.3:
Fins shall be made of semitransparent glass/epoxy laminate (“G10” / ”G11” or generic products)

Proposal 2
To amend the class rules so that from the 2016 equipment eligibility date only registered production fins shall be used.
Include fin registration scheme in the current equipment registration paperwork free of charge to allow for a transition period.

Reason
Development in Windsurfing has shown that moulded carbon fins in the high end range may become very expensive. Furthermore, moulded carbon fins are virtually impossible to measure. A registration scheme for G10/G11 can be easily administered and enforced to control cost development.

RESULTS: BOTH PASSED



(14) Event Registration Policy (GKA)

Purpose or Objective:
To grow participation in international events.

Proposal 1:
Amend the Formula Kite event quota and entry system as follow:
Entry is granted to 50 men / 20 women (continental) and 60 men / 30 women (worlds) based on a first come-first serve principle that allows sailors to make travel arrangements immediately after registration. Registration must be accompanied by immediate payment of the entry fee to secure participation. Additional places are granted to the top 10 men / top 10 women (from the continent) respectively top 20 men / top 10 women (worlds) until one month before the event. Places not used by these top riders become publically available up to a total quota of 60/30 (continentals) and 80/40 (worlds).

Proposal 2:
Limit event entry fees to 40 Euro per racing day with the following provision: Registration (and payment) made up to 1 month before the event (see proposal 1) receive a 25 % discount (“early bird”).
This effectively (together with the new registration proposal) limits the entry fees to 150 Euro for a typical continental and world championship, and 120 Euro for a typical 4 day foilboard (or e.g. KTE) event.

Reason:
The entry system currently used resulted in lower participation as starting places were only confirmed shortly before an event. Both proposals follows a discussion with the riders at the 2014 Europeans.

RESULTS: 14.1 PASSED, 14.2 WITHDRAWN


(15) Event Selection Policy (GKA)

Proposal:
Only events with proper race management and jury infrastructure as well as sailor benefits (food, prize money etc) shall be selected for major events (continentals and worlds).

Reason:
The sport side as well as the sailors benefits should not be compromised in order to maximize the number of events. Feedback from the sailors is that they prefer rather less but bigger and better events.

RESULTS: WITHDRAWN



VII. Elections
no positions are currently vacant.





VIII. Any Other Business

a) Policy discussion – separate youth and masters events in racing, or combined with the open events

b) PKRA development

c) Policy discussion – world titles (disciplines and overall world title yes/no ?)

d) Registered Equipment Slalom (Kites and/or boards – foilkites/tubekites ?)

e) Class Separated Sub-AGMs

f) Parafoil kites and the implications of their usage on the international tours (if not covered elsewhere)

g) Formula Kite Registration cycle 2016 – Sailing World Cup Grand Final

h) Scoring time limit "TLE" sailors vs. DNC, DNS, or DNF sailors

i) Participation levels at all international events

j) Update of championship rules and Standard NoR/Sis

k) Sailing World Cup Grand Final Contribution
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Meine Flysurfer sind doch eigentlich Tubekites. Mit einer großen Tube, die aus Sicherheitsgründen in mehrere Kammern unterteilt ist.
Ventile hat sie auch, plus einen automatischen Nachfüllmechanismus.

Die 50Liter Volumen erfülle ich glaube ich auch locker.

Die haben doch den Knall noch nicht gehört.

Jetzt verstehe ich auch, warum FS einen Race- Tubekite bringen will.

Ich wüsste da schon, was ich an der 50Ltr- Fronttube hinten drannähen würde..........

Was soll´s, Race interessiert mich pers. nicht so.
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